Guatemala: and the AOC, sup?

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Guatemala: and the AOC, sup?

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From Lance at Liquorature...


As you should now know, Lance of Liquorature has come a long way in his reviews and the reporting of his scoring. Other than moi, he is the only - I say ONLY - reviewer who has the cajones to publish a graph of his scores' distribution.

Good on Lance.

Lance also came around to recognize that price and age don't guarantee quality, and further now seems to be speaking to both the issue of purity and unlabeled additives.

Bravo again.

Now mind you, his distributions are still weighted to the high end, but it is inevitable that in time and with his now raised consciousness, things should improve. But as always I digress.


Lance posts a nice interview on Karukera

Karukera is a very hard-to-find cane juice rum from Guadeloupe (est 12 years). Lance recently posted a review (here). In this fine review Lance noted its purity and freedom from additives, and also spoke to the issue of origination. According to Lance, this rum is marked "appellation d’origine". He seemed to assume that this meant that the Karukera is bound by the same voluminous regulations as the Martinique "AOC" rums.

Are they? I'm not sure, but I believe they are not, so I quickly posted this...
Moi at Liquorature: As far as the “appellation d’origine” labeling, this may need to be distinguished from the “Appellation d’origine controlee” label of Martinique. The “controlee” is important. The latter guarantees not only origin, but also the method of production. The former – in Guadeloupe – does not seem to. If so – and I believe it is – I consider this an advantage as this avoids the voluminous and stifling regulations of Martinique, and allows the kind of artistry exhibited by Barbancourt.

To my knowledge the cane juice rums from Guadeloupe have not yet received the full controlee designation, but this remains to be seen. Question: what is the full designation that appears on the bottle: “appellation d’origine”, “appellation d’origine controlee”, or “AOC Guadeloupe”?
A fair question, which either Lance or I, or perhaps you may resolve. Stay tuned...
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The plot thickens...

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The plot thickens, er, ferments...


One of the first things to do is short term memory, but fortunately I experienced a kernel of recollection from the mid-term, namely...

Before the Preacher departed for his alternate universe, Robert Burr and JMac addressed this issue at the Shillery in a thread that I recalled. In it, Bobby noted that the cane juice rums of Guadeloupe, Reunion and Marie Gallant do not carry the stifling AOC designation of Martinique.
Burr: "It's still rhum agricole if it's made from fresh cane juice in Guadeloupe and the other French territory islands, but only Martinique has a certification as to all the parameters of production which earns the official AOC designation.

The other islands could go through the process of getting their own certification, but it takes a critical mass of distillers a very long time and all operators to agree on all the specifications and finally -- agree to adhere to them. At that point the strict standards have meaning and add value."
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Lance answers...

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Lance answers...


In his sometimes courteous fashion, Lance confirmed that this Guadeloupean rum was indeed marked "Appellation d’origine", which guarantees only the source, but lacking the "controlee" of the AOC means that the means of production is NOT controlled in anyway (compare to "AOC Martinique's" rum by regulation).

I consider this a great advantage, and this frees Guadeloupe from the voluminous and stifling regulation that hamstring the overpriced cane juice rums of Martinique.

My post there...

Moi at Liquorature: "Thanks… I also revisted some old data on this, including some sourced from Robert Burr of the Rum Rennaisance. “Appelation d’Origine” is the French guarantee of geographical origin, most familiar with French wines, but here for rum. OTOH “Appelation d’Origine Controlee” (Martinique) is a guarantee of both origin and method of production. So ends our speculation.

Personally I fascinated by this rum, as a cane juice rum produced on a French island and with French influence, but not restricted by the voluminous and what some consider inhibiting production regulations of Martinique. That it is 12 years old is impressive."
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