Sudden Silence Dept: Siesta Key Spiced Rum

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Do you think Siesta Key's "natural spices" are real?

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Doesn't look good.
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Sudden Silence Dept: Siesta Key Spiced Rum

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Real spices or not...


In a recent thread, "Cavity Dept: Honey, are you listening?" (link), I was very impressed with the Artic Wolf's excited report that the Siesta Key Spiced Rum used actual, hand-measured real spices! I was impressed, so much so that I ran right out to buy a bottle, but when I noted the label stated "natural spice and bit of honey" my neck hairs began to raise, simply because the term "natural" in the flavoring business means just the opposite. Still I gave Siesta the benefit of the doubt.

Of course, I emailed Siesta Key to congratulate them to and to get confirmation from the distiller (who was quoted by Mr. Wolf).
Moi: "At The Rum Project (perhaps the largest non-commercial rum reviewing website on the net) we are big fans of artisan distilling of rum in the United States. We have a rich history of moonshining, and like many countries at one time home distilling was quite common, as it is in Australia and parts of Europe. One of my favorite distillers is Phil Prichard who actually built his own home still, which is still used to develop recipes. His rums are simply amazing.

Your Carl still is a top quality still, widely respected. But I digress..

I recently read a review which exclaimed your use of “real spices” and “honey” in your spiced rum. If true, you have joined a handful of distillers who do so. Think Foursquare and Richard Seale for example. Naturally, I rushed off to Total Wine & Spirits to find a bottle to review, but when I read your label I found it stated “natural spices” and “a bit of honey”. Forgive me, but I have to ask the following:

1. The flavoring industry, which is substantial, not only uses “artificial flavors” – which are considered, well, artificial – but accordingly then promotes “natural flavors” - a term which is intended to imply that the flavor is not artificial. As you may know, this couldn’t be farther from the truth. “Natural flavors” do indeed extract perhaps a single natural component (which doesn’t even have to be drawn from the named flavor, eg strawberry), which is then combined with artificial flavors and other components.

Bottom line: “Natural flavors” are hardly much different than the “artificial flavors”. Of course they are used on the basis of cost, consistency and profit. Designer flavors.

Real spices are a world apart, as you must know. Honey – if it is unfiltered – is too.

Question 1: I am bothered by your use of the adjective “natural” instead of “real”. Do you use real spices and only real spices, completely authentic and directly from nature? If so could you give an example or two? In what form do you get them, and how are they added?

2. Honey is yet another matter. Recently we discovered that millions of pound of honey sold in the US, is actually sourced in China and may contain lead and certain banned bee antibiotics. The Chinese hide their sources by using “ultrafiltration” – ostensibly to to provide a clear product – but actually to remove traceable pollen and wax. The Chinese also extend the product by adding other sweeteners and syrups, often with honey being the smallest component or not present at all!

Thus in our household we avoid all “ultrafiltered” products, and try to buy honey from Floridian producers. We are fortunate that Florida is famous for our orange blossom and other honeys which are absolutely real, and still affordable. Nothing at Walmart makes the grade.

Still your use of honey in any form is admirable and I commend you for the attempt.

Question #2: Is your honey ultrafiltered? What kind of honey (eg orange blossom, etc) do you use, if you can say?

Thanks...

If you do indeed use only real spices and honey, we look forward to buying and reviewing it."
As an aside, you can be sure that any distiller who actually goes to the time and expense to use real spices always - always - makes much of it. Naturally, I expected an immediate and glowing reply. Did I get one?

Nope. So I wrote again, and yet again. Still nothing.


Bottom Line

When any distiller makes a rum using real spices (not designer artificial and natural flavoring) you can bet their marketing department will have virtual orgasms over the fact, and shout out how special this real spiced rum is. And they should. Example: "The Lash". This distiller not only answered my inquiry but provided tons of good information about which and how his real spices were used. Others have replied defending their use of so-called "natural flavors".

But Siesta? Not a word. Should we be concerned? You decide...


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Special Note: Siesta DID finally answer, and quite positively, after this thread was created. Please skip to the end and see what they had to say. Kudo's to Siesta Key!
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What does Siesta say...

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What does Siesta say?


Since Siesta does not appear to be answering emails, let's consider the exerpt from their website...
Siesta: "We make our spiced rum by infusing our award winning rums with real spices and then adding honey for a bit of sweetness. We do not use any artificial flavors or sweeteners and you can taste the difference."
Now this truly is impressive and normally that would be that. But...

I've learned how many marketers (and politicians) often take exceptional care to parse their words. After analysis what bothered me was (a) the bottle's label stated "natural spices" not "real spices", and (b) that although their site excludes "artificial flavors or sweeteners", by omission it does not exclude "natural flavors". Last, I must say that (c) I am concerned about the lack of response to a clarifying question.

Those three facts may either be meaningless coincidence, or they may indicate the use of "natural" flavorings (which are still mostly artificial. "Natural spice flavorings" are absolutely not "real spices". Was their use of "natural" on the label, and failure to exclude "natural flavoring" from the website accidental? Or intended?

You decide...


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Capn's Log: I'm torn. Citing "real spices" on the website is impressive. Perhaps as a small distiller they inadvertantly omitted the exclusion of "natural flavoring" from their website. Or not.
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Let's consideur the competition

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Let's consider the competition...


It's instructional to consider the competition, from least to most likely to use real spices...


1. Sailor Jerry: "Rum with spice, caramel and other natural flavors"

2. Pango: "Rum with natural fruit and spice flavors"

3. Cruzan 9: "Rum with spices and other natural flavors"

4. Brinley's Shipwreck: "Rum with spice, other natural flavors and caramel color"

5. The Lash: "Rum with spices, bourbon vanilla and natural flavors"

6. Foursquare: "Spiced rum... a combination of rare island spices and specially aged rum"


Notice anything? You sure? Keep in that the rums are ordered from least to most likely to use real. Look again. Here's what I found.

1. The least are perfectly clear and use "natural flavoring"

2. Next are those who may be misleading by stating "spices and other natural flavors". The "and other" is the tipoff. This would seem to include the "spice" as one of the "natural flavors".

3. The Lash is more convincing. This time it's "spices, bourbon vanilla and natural flavors". The "and" separates the spices and vanilla from the "natural flavors".

4. Last is Foursquare. No "if", "and", "but" or "or", just "spiced... with rare island spices and rum". There is no question that real spices are used.

To me the tip off is the use of "natural" and/or "and other natural" flavors. And it is Siesta Key's inclusion of the phrase "natural spices" that bothers me.

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Siesta Key replies... finally!

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Siesta Key replies... finally!


Let me be the first to give due credit to Siesta Key who - after several tries - finally answered, and in the kind of detail that gives them considerable credibility. You can now safely ignore the usual implications of distillers who either don't reply, or whose replies are intentionally vague.
Siesta Key: "Cap'n,

I just happened to browse through the spam folder a few minutes ago and came across this email. I would have responded sooner had I seen it.

To answer your questions:

1. Our spices are absolutely real. I am not sure what term to use but we order our spices from a spice house in the states. Some are ordered whole and some are ordered ground. I have chosen the form for each based on my experimentations with how the flavor passes to the rum in the different forms. The spices are weighed out and put in the rum based on the recipe. The spices are allowed to infuse the rum and are then filtered out. They are real spices in solid (ground and whole) form. We do not use any liquid "natural" flavors. It is a true spiced rum made by infusion with spices from nature.

2. The honey is sourced in the states as well. It is not Florida honey at this point (I have been experimenting with some 100% Florida honey though). It is not ultra filtered and has no other sweeteners. I am sorry but I don't want to reveal exactly what type of honey it is. I have had someone guess correctly once, but I didn't even verify it then! :) I do need to keep some trade secrets.

Thanks for the email. Let me know if you have any other questions.

Thanks,
Troy Roberts
Founder/Distiller
Drum Circle Distilling
Siesta Key Rum"
Does this detailed reply give you confidence? It better. It is the mark of a honest and responsive distiller to do so, and Siesta Key deserves high respect for both their process, objectives, honesty and open communication.

Although we were offered a bottle, we will buy one at Total Wine and give it the review it deserves and that Siesta Key requested. Bravo and good on Troy Roberts.
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