Abuelo 7
Abuelo 12
Abuelo Anjeo
Abuelo Centuria
Appleton Estate 12 year old
Appleton Estate Reserve
Atlantico Platino
Atlantico Private Cask
Atlantico Reserva
Bacardi 8 Años
Bacardi Gold
Bacardi Oakheart
Bacardi Pineapple Fusion
Bacardi Superior
Barbancourt 3 Star
Barbancourt 5 Star
Barbancourt 15 year Estate Reserve
Barbancourt Pango
Barbancourt White
Barcelo Gran Añejo
Barcelo Imperial
Barcelo Imperial Premium Blend 30 Aniversario
Barrilito 3 Star
Barritt's Ginger Beer
Blackbeard Spiced
Blackheart
Botran Reserva
Botran Reserva Blanca
Botran Solera
Brugal 1888
Brugal Blanco Especial
Caliche
Carta Vieja Añejo
Centenario 7
Deadhead
Debonaire Private Reserve 5
Debonaire Very Special Reserve 8
Debonaire Grand Reserve 15
Debonaire Premium Reserve 21
Debonaire Special Reserve Coffee
Debonaire Special Reserve Honey
Dictador 20
Diplomatico Ambassador
Diplomatico Añeja
Diplomatico Blanco
Diplomatico Reserva
Diplomatico Reserva Exclusiva
Domain de Canton
Don Papa
DonQ Añejo
DonQ Coco
DonQ Cristal
DonQ Gold
DonQ Gran Añejo
DonQ Limon
DonQ Mojito
DonQ Pasion
Don Zavier Mamajuana
Dos Maderas 5+3
Dos Maderas PX 5+5
Dzama Amber Nosy-Be
Dzama Amber Cuvée Noire Prestige
Dzama Cuvée Blanche
Dzama Cuvée Blanche Prestige
Dzama Cuvée Noire
Dzama Vanilla 1 yo
Dzama Vanilla 10 yo
Dzama Vieux Rhum XV
Dzama White Nosy-Be
English Harbour 5 YO
English Harbour 10 YO
English Harbour 25 YO
Flor de Caña Centenario Gold 18
Flor de Caña Centenario 12
Flor de Caña Grand Reserve 7
Florida Caribbean Distillers: 2 rums
Fresh Coconuts - Coconut King
Hampden Estate Gold
Libre Rum & Cola
Miami Club Rum Plantino
Montanya Oro
Montanya Platino
Mt Gay 1703
Mt Gay Black Barrel
Mt Gay Eclipse
Mt Gay XO
Novo Fogo Barrel-Aged Cachaça
Novo Fogo Silver Cachaça
Ocumare
Origenes Reserva Don Pancho
Origenes Reserva Especial 18
Papa's Pilar Blonde
Papa's Pilar Dark
Pink Pigeon
Pito Rico China
Pito Rico Elite
Pito Rico Parcha
Pito Rico Pitorro Sin Curar
Pito Rico Tamarindo
Pito Rico Zangria
Plantation 20th Anniversary XO
Plantation Barbados 2000
Plantation Grande Reserve 5 year old
Plantation Grenada 2003
Plantation Guatemala Gran Añjeo
Plantation Jamaica 2000
Plantation Nicaragua 2001
Plantation Original Dark
Plantation Original Dark Overproof
Plantation Panama 2002
Plantation Three Stars White
Plantation Trinidad 1999
Poesia
Prichard's Cranberry Rum
Prichard's Crystal Rum
Prichard's Fine Rum
Prichard's Key Lime Rum
Prichard's Private Stock
Prichard's Spiced
Prichard's Sweet Georgia Belle
R. St Barth
Real McCoy
Roble Viejo
Ron De Jeremy Reserva
Ron De Jeremy Spiced
Rum Fire
Santa Teresa 1796
Total: 128 rums. But that's gross. Next let's consider the number of distilleries...
Appleton: 2 rums
Atlantico: 3 rums
Bacardi: 5 rums
Barbancourt: 5 rums
Barcelo: 3 rums
Barrilito: 1 rum
Blackheart: 1 rum
Botran: 3 rums
Brugal: 2 rums
Carta Vieja Añejo
Centenario 7
Deadhead
Dictador 20: 1 rum
Domain de Canton: not rum
Don Papa: 1
Don Pancho: 14 rums
Don Zavier: 1 rum
Dos Maderas: 2 rums
Dzama: 8 rums
English Harbour: 3 rums
Flor de Cana: 3 rums
Florida Caribbean Distillers: 2 rums
Hampton Estate/Rum Fire: 1 rum
Miami Club: 1 rum
Montanya: 2 rums
Mount Gay: 4 rums
Novo Fogo: 2 cachacas
Ocumare: 1 rum
Plantation: 12 rums
Papa’s Pilar: 2 rums
Pito Rico: 5 rums
Poesia: 1 rum
Prichards: 7 spirits
Rum St. Barth: 1 rum
Real McCoy: 1 rum
Roble Viejo: 1 rum
Santa Teresa: 1 rum
Serrales: 9 rums
Oops! We're down to just 38 distillery sources. Now let's narrow this down to just Caribbean distillers...
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Next up (or rather down), the Caribbean distillers...
Appleton: 2 rums
Atlantico: 3 rums
Barbancourt: 5 rums
Barcelo: 3 rums
Barrilito: 1 rum
Brugal: 2 rums
Brugal: 2 rums
Carta Vieja Añejo
Centenario 7
Dictador 20: 1 rum
Don Pancho: 14 rums
Dos Maderas: 2 rums
English Harbour: 3 rums
Flor de Cana: 3 rums
Hampton Estate/Rum Fire: 1 rum
Mount Gay: 4 rums
Ocumare: 1 rum
Plantation: 12 rums
Papa’s Pilar: 2 rums
Pito Rico: 5 rums
Rum St. Barth: 1 rum
Roble Viejo: 1 rum
Santa Teresa: 1 rum
Oh my! Down to - grrr - a mere 23! But even this overstates the case. Most of these are rums that already have good distribution and are widely available. Of the thousands of rums, let's talk about the nitty gritty - exposure of new, hard to find, small and relatively undistributed rums. The ones that really need love and support...
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Hampton Estate/Rum Fire: 1 rum
Papa’s Pilar: 2 rums
Pito Rico: 5 rums
Rum St. Barth: 1 rum
Roble Viejo: 1 rum
Yup, just five true Caribbean rums, who managed to part with the thousands in Burr-ransom to buy a table. Nothing is given there. It's actually worse - seems that two of these rums already have distribution.
Bottom Line...
Three true Caribbean and needy rums/distillers out of 128. And who paid to be there, and whose exposure was limited to moneyed party people in Miami who really didn't care and who likely won't be able to find a bottle anyway.
Still trying to figure their business model! Can they float as a Total Wine house brand? RL Seale 10 YO - beautiful rum in a beautiful bottle, but UNDERPRICED and mostly unavailable. I don't get it.
Sounds like it is a money making operation first and foremost and rum promotion second. Nothing wrong in making money. Just a pity some of that money couldn't be put to promoting lesser known rums and giving some of the smaller producers a break.
Life is under no obligation to give us what we expect!
Sometimes we must comment but we lend a modicum of credibility to the farcical characters to which our criticism is directed.
Idiotic shilling just like his unliked brother in harms Hamilton. Each time he steps up to the plate to defend himself or his profit at all costs methodology he is summarily flogged by any debater that can read, write and think.
These festivals are shill festivals, not rum festivals. The suckers will always go and those who just have a spare day that they would like to fill. Slowly but surely the credibility or lack there-of will start to bite.
So regardless of my starting premise that commenting lends credibility, I am sure that overwhelming greed and lack of ethics will sink such blubbery ships.
I too was surprised not to see Seale on the list, as in the past he has always attended. Is Foursquare saving their pennies, or is there more to this? Does he feel the festivals really don't help (my guess)? To attend probably requires a week of time and a healthy amount of product to give away to 15,000 attendees.
And for what? His products are already distributed.
Dai, your point is right on. If this festival sold the number of tickets projected, I'd guess the gross was in seven figures. That is a lot of money and surely enough to say spend ten or twenty thousand dollars to promote some small and deserving rums.
But then again, how would that affect those who paid dearly for their tables who would scream bloody murder?
Capn Jimbo wrote:I too was surprised not to see Seale on the list, as in the past he has always attended. Is Foursquare saving their pennies, or is there more to this? Does he feel the festivals really don't help (my guess)? To attend probably requires a week of time and a healthy amount of product to give away to 15,000 attendees.
And for what? His products are already distributed.
Dai, your point is right on. If this festival sold the number of tickets projected, I'd guess the gross was in seven figures. That is a lot of money and surely enough to say spend ten or twenty thousand dollars to promote some small and deserving rums.
But then again, how would that affect those who paid dearly for their tables who would scream bloody murder?
They may scream they may not it would depend on wether it was up front that this was the practice of the festival. A lot of those rum producers/distributors may be looking at the bigger picture of what this festival may do for them and that may well out way any concession to a small producer.
Life is under no obligation to give us what we expect!
I suppose if it was called the "Small Producer looking for traction and distribution Fest" then my panties would be as wadded as yours.
It doesn't seem much different than the Whiskey Fest that rolls into three large markets every year. It's primarily a party and a chance to try a lot of different pours. Meet some industry people and perhaps touch base with some friends and other enthusiasts. The numerous attendees are by and large beginners to mid level enthusiasts who are there to try some new juice without buying the bottle, particularly given the ever increasing cost of Scotch and Bourbon.
On forums there are threads like "Dumb Stuff The Reps Said ay Whisky Fest". No one takes the prizes awarded seriously except the retailer who wants something to print on his shelf rider.
